New Order – Sub-Culture

Am I right in thinking that the only 12" with the un-remixed 'sub-Culture' that is a proper extended 12" version, is the ' Base Records' release in Italy ? There are no credits for John Robie on the label......

Love these mixes! Dub-Vulture screws you on headphones. The mix is really odd at the end, but I've probably played that more than Sub-Culture

Don't listen to the excessive hate that the New Order fan community has for these remixes. Yes, I have the Razormaid's Joseph Watt, but that doesn't change the fact that the John Robie Remixes on this 12" make it the most energetic, lively, and uplifting of all those great 12" remix singles from the 1980s, before "renowned DJs" took over to alienate instead of improving the original singles and rather serving their egos than label, band and buyers. Whether over your headphones or in a club full of people, this 12" will never fail to kick ass, lift up and put a smile on everybody's face. By far my favourite New Order 12", and I've got them all...

The best remixed edits of this song are all by Razormaid! Chapter R.1 and Razormaid's Prehistoric 5.5 Anniversary Issue - Thee Most Haggard Of Razormaid! Records.

I HATE his vocals on the album version. Sounds like he's singing in bed.

The alternative story is that Peter Saville was not commissioned to do a sleeve for this release.
It was rushed released with the intention of looking like dance record/import release 12”.
I have a friend who was working in retail at the time and the record literally turned up one week virtually unannounced, apparently.

I wonder what kind of professional was this Peter character.
Was it up for designers to judge those matters. Plain silly.
The single version, the 12" version and the respective dubs are absolutely great,
and far better than the sloppy Album version in Low-Life.

Nice type on label but not much else of a cover due to Saville's dislike for the remix. Album track far superior. The Pet Shop Boys owe a lot in sound and style to this one!

The remix here drives me crazy. I can not listen to it without the way Robie treated the synth completely throwing the rhythm of the track off for me, the way it emphasizes the offbeat so hugely that it sounds like it was mixed and mastered incorrectly. I challenge you to listen to it carefully and check out what he's adding on the offbeat through most of the song, it's...just amazingly off-balance, a real trainwreck. Honestly, if the level of that one track had been properly adjusted, it'd be a fine enough remix, but... yeah. Bad.

there was no sleeve made for this 12" because peter saville hated it, and refused to design anything.