Well I can't comment on the source of that, but I doubt that there aren't earlier releases than that George Benson or others from mid 1993.
The reason I started scratching the surface is this single: U2 - Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses
According to a reliable source, this maxi was released in the USA: 1992-11-24. If you look at the images, you can see the logo on the mirror band. If SRC page is correct then this must be a reissue/repressing from mid 1993 the earliest. Problem is that I couldn't find any other US release of this specific maxi that wasn't a reissue or repressing (PMDC with SID codes, UML), so it is more than likely that this SRC pressing is the original release. Of course it is possible that there are GEn 5 and 6 variants made by SRC (with or without you, I mean, logo). Page shows two images, both have the logo. No version logo hasn't surfaced yet! rem66geo got back to me in PM and provided some important info:
Hi, my variant (variant 4) has this specialty 'S' logo. I bought my copy in november 1992!
Some other interesting cases: Buffalo Tom - Buffalo Tom
Released in 1992, has logo. No other US releases are known. Doesn't look like a mass manufactured item.
Various - Bogle
Release in 1992, no other US release. Except for one longbox, but that has no matrix info, images.
Morris Day - Guaranteed
Only US commercial CD, except a longbox. (That longbox has same matrix, but I have my doubts. s who submit longboxes usually have unopened copies.)
Questions:
- Is there any other source for the 1993 switch date?
- Do you agree that we change June 1993 to 1992 or "around 1992"?
Pinging everyone who edited (or commented on) the SRC page: Showbiz_Kid
Well, the sources are over 10 years old. At the time it could indeed have been the earliest known release but in the meantime new evidence has appeared, making it necessary to change the date to 1992.
Maybe it was a transitional phase that started in 1992 with a new LBR, and by June 1993 all other LBRs were adjusted, too..
Almost all of them had other US CDs in the master release from 1991 with matrices possible in that year or sometimes an earlier SRC variant without logo, ergo none of them proves that the logo was in use that year.
Hal Ketchum - Past The Point Of Rescue
No other US CD from possibly 1991, but there is one from 1992. Probably it wasn't released on that format before 1992.
fishbulb
The existence of Gen 4 and 5 releases from 1993
That's an interesting aspect to check!
My statement is that they started using Gen 6 logo in 1992, not that it was exclusively in use. As sebfact has mentioned, the different generations may have had a parallel history.
zoli79
My statement is that they started using Gen 6 logo in 1992, not that it was exclusively in use. As sebfact has mentioned, the different generations may have had a parallel history.
There is no evidence of this, and no reason to believe that Gen 4 and 5 paralleled Gen 6. You are trying to prove something that is easily proven not possible.
fishbulb
There is no evidence of this, and no reason to believe that Gen 4 and 5 paralleled Gen 6. You are trying to prove something that is easily proven not possible.
Although I understand that the last Gen 4 and 5 appears on new releases is important to understand the big picture, here I'd like to focus on when Gen 6 first appeared. I presented plenty of evidence that it may have been in late 1992.
zoli79
I'd like to focus on when Gen 6 first appeared. I presented plenty of evidence that it may have been in late 1992.
Just because a Gen 6 version of a 1992 release exists doesn't mean it couldn't have been made/repressed in 1993 or later. None of your 'evidence' proves otherwise.
On the other hand, the existence of 1993 releases in Gen 4 and Gen 5 does prove that the transition to Gen 6 couldn't have happened in 1992.
zoli79
rem66geo got back to me in PM and provided some important info:
Hi, my variant (variant 4) has this specialty 'S' logo. I bought my copy in november 1992!
So there's a who PURCHASED in Nov-1992 a CD with SRC logo. My opinion is to change SRC profile to include 1992 as possible when Swirl logo is present.
These aren't one of many versions of 1992 releases, they seem to be the only one. The list would've been much longer otherwise. I find the promo editions especially interesting as they should've been sent out earlier or on release date the latest.
U2 - Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses where purchase was made within 3 months of it's first issue, any of us have those kind of purchases stamped on memory. I can tell you when (and sometimes where) I bought most of my first 300 CDs without checking my records. So if an item purchased on Nov-1992 have the SRC swirl logo, that is enough proof to change introduction date to 1992 instead of 1993. That doesn't impy all items released after that must have the logo: Most SRC generations coexisted with others at a given date.
The big problem of having 1993 on SRC profile is that a would use that info to incorrctly split or add reissue tag to a valid 1992 release, only based on Swirl logo presence. Enlarging possible date range reduces chance of mistakes on discogs.
isidroco
The big problem of having 1993 on SRC profile is that a would use that info to incorrctly split or add reissue tag to a valid 1992 release, only based on Swirl logo presence.
There cannot be a 'valid 1992 release' with a 'swirl logo' because the transition happened in 1993. This is not a gray area. We know this because of the existence of pre-swirl releases from 1993. If it would have happened in 1992, then there wouldn't be any pre-swirl 1993 releases.
fishbulb you are wrong, is not like that in the instant Swirl Logo was introduced on SOME pressing machines, all of them had it. SRC had several different styles which coexisted at the same time. Existance of preSwirl logo style in 1993 doesn't invalidate the existance of some Swirl Logo releases in 1992.
Please read SRC history here, I have samples of overlapping dates from different generations: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/cds-pressed-by-specialty-src-code.146814/page-10#post-7120664
