Disctronics USA - label update required

From forum discussions, as well as the Disctronics USA entry when read in isolation (which I can kinda understand).

I recently had an experienced stating a release that had "DISCTRONICS MADE IN THE USA" in the matrix meant that it should be entered as 'pressed by Disctronics USA'. However, this matrix syntax does not fit with any of the Disctronics USA (plant) matrix syntax variants that I could find, so in my mind, the pressing is more likely to be from Disctronics A or Disctronics H.

Could I suggest a simple addition to the Disctronics USA entry to dispel any confusion that might come from people thinking this is a company profile, rather than a specific pressing plant profile, right at the top, before any of the history guff...

"Disctronics USA was a digital disc pressing plant, located in Texas. It was one of three plants operated by Disctronics in the USA.
Typically, releases from the plant have DISCTRONICS USA stamped in the matrix, though variations are known to exist.
For other Disctronics discs pressed in the US, please ensure these were not pressed at either Disctronics A or Disctronics H before denoting a specific pressing plant to the release"

I'd love some help with other typical matrix syntaxes, or any other suggestions / critiques before updating, thanks.

^^^
Seems I'll critique myself first... change suggested wording to:

"... For discs known to be pressed by Disctronics in the US, please ensure these were not pressed at either Disctronics A or Disctronics H prior to denoting this specific pressing plant to the release"

I think I may have been that "experienced ".

I perhaps shouldn't have commented, although seeing "Made in USA by Disctronics" in a matrix, automatically lends itself to Disctronics, USA. I wasn't aware of the other plants.

Then again, looking at the profiles of the other two plants, the matrix on that particular sub doesn't really tie it to any particular plant other than an unknown Disctronics plant in America,

Absolutely right. If this post can help determine that the "DISCTRONICS MADE IN THE U.S.A." matrices come out of the Texas site, as opposed to the Disctronics A or H sites, that'd be excellent, but at the moment a forum search isn't turning up much, so it seems like a roll of the dice.

I worded my suggested addition so as not to exclude the "DISCTRONICS MADE IN THE U.S.A." matrices, but I didn't want to include them either as it's well documented that most pressings from the plant are denoted differently. But yep, I totally think there's a chance the two matrices came out of the same plant. I'd be very happy to be proven right or wrong by another with definitive info.

Btw... The 'experienced ' ref was fully sincere. As mentioned, I can see how anyone would be confused if just looking at the current Disctronics USA entry.

So, any suggested changes to the suggested wording from anyone?

To be clear "DISCTRONICS MADE IN THE U.S.A." does not = Nomeansno - The Day Everything Became Isolated And Destroyed. Cheers

^ In response to the above question, and to summarise the discussion above:

We know a "Discronics USA" syntax denotes the glass was definitely mastered at the Houston, Texas Discronics plant, as opposed to 'Disctronics H' (Hunstsville, Alabama) or 'Disctonics A' (Anaheim).

The exact syntax "DISTRONICS MADE IN THE USA" has not been nailed down to a particular plant, so could be from any of the above 3. Therefore a blanket 'Disctronics' ref is more appropriate for these at present.

^ It may help to boil it down to the fact that the letters USA are used specifically as a plant code in 'DISCTRONICS USA' matrices'

"MADE IN THE USA" only denotes the country of origin, not which plant.

Disctronics A and Disctronics H both appear to have been wound up in the mid 90's, whereas the Texas plant continued on until 2003. After looking at a whole bunch of the entries, DISCTRONICS USA all seem to have the IFPI mastering code IFPI L793. So perhaps if a Made in USA Disctronics cd is pressed between say 1993-2003 (and has that master code) it automatically is assigned Disctronics USA.

One example of this is R.L. Burnside - Mr. Wizard which appears to be a Disctronics USA pressing but has Disctronics in the matrix.

oceanographer
To be clear "DISCTRONICS MADE IN THE U.S.A." does not = Disctronics USA? Would it be best to add as a blanket company credit Disctronics when "DISCTRONICS MADE IN THE U.S.A." is in the matrix? I've arrived here by way of a recent Pressed By edit to Nomeansno - The Day Everything Became Isolated And Destroyed. Cheers

no, it's perfectly fine to credit the USA branch of Disctronics there as thats what's on the release.

gogobonobo
"MADE IN THE USA" only denotes the country of origin, not which plant.

it denotes the USA branch of Disctronics, which is a perfectly valid credit

gogobonobo
The exact syntax "DISTRONICS MADE IN THE USA" has not been nailed down to a particular plant, so could be from any of the above 3. Therefore a blanket 'Disctronics' ref is more appropriate for these at present.

it's not. We know it was made in the US and not in one of the other Disctronics plants around the world. Thus Disctronics USA is the most appropriate

Hi syke, you've missed the point that there was not just one Disctronics plant in the USA, there were three seperate plants in three different states.

The only one that put "DISCTRONICS USA" in the matix was the Texan plant. Therefore, this plant entry is for the Texan plant only, not for any Disctronics release made in one of the 3 US plants.

So once more with feeling...

"Disctronics Made in the USA" is a country indicator only for glass mastering. On its own merits, it unfortunately only narrows things down to one of 3 Disctronics plants that operated in the USA. Those 3 plants being;
- Disctronics USA (Texas), or
- Disctronics A (California), or
- Disctronics H (Alabama)

"DISCTRONICS USA" is a plant indicator, and narrows it down specifically to the Texan plant. ("DISCTRONICS A" and "DISCTRONICS H" are equivalent plant indicators of discs that came from the other American plants).

So anything with "Made in the USA" in the matrix should NOT be listed under the Texan "DISCTRONICS USA" plant UNLESS is can be proven that the mastering was done specifically in the Texan plant, and not one of the other 2 American plants.

[edit name typo]

gogobonobo
So anything with "Made in the USA" in the matrix should NOT be listed under the Texan "DISCTRONICS USA" plant UNLESS is can be proven that the mastering was done specifically in the Texan plant, and not one of the other 2 American plants.

Truth!

Hi

gogobonobo
^ It may help to boil it down to the fact that the letters USA are used specifically as a plant code in 'DISCTRONICS USA' matrices'

"MADE IN THE USA" only denotes the country of origin, not which plant.

Yes correct only country of origin- there are also two IFPI Codes to contend with: IFPI L792 & IFPI L793...but which belongs to which plant?
I believe where it a release matrix states "DISTRONICS MADE IN THE USA" this would be a perfect candidate for the Disctronics Group, USA as decided in Disctronics Group, United Kingdom
The idea is to give back the "Disctronics" company correct country of origin as opposed to selecting the very generic Disctronics attribution which is slanted towards European releases.
Thoughts?

I'm happy to go along for the ride. Like adrian-79, I'm slightly uncomfy with the creation of the "Disctronics Group" names, but the sentiment is excellent, and I've personally got nothing better (and if anyone does, the names are certainly not carved in stone).
I'd just suggest that the Disctronics Group, USA is differentiated from Disctronics USA in nice bold type at the top of both entries to try to avoid a little of the confusion that's always occurred in that space.
A bit of a "This entry is to be used for releases that.... and should not be confused with.... which should be used when..." would be perfect.

Thanks for all the work you're putting in, it'll be great to have these sorted.

gogobonobo
I'm happy to go along for the ride. Like adrian-79, I'm slightly uncomfy with the creation of the "Disctronics Group" names, but the sentiment is excellent, and I've personally got nothing better (and if anyone does, the names are certainly not carved in stone).

Yes so was I (bit uneasy), but I cannot see another way to end this? The guidelines would be the same as for Disctronics Group, Australia but obviously relating to any validated US Disctronics entities.

I believe this is pretty much the same with Disctronics, UK - however here the IFPI code ties it to the Blackburn plant. There is still a fair amount of collaboration needed to all the dots as best we can.

I'll give it a go and see what the general conscenus is......
Cheers

Various - Comin From Tha D: Blueprint

As further justification for creating the country specific collective "Disctronics Group" labels- the many court proceedings highlight the many Disctronics entities as;
"....Quixote filed a complaint against the Disctronics Group in the Circuit Court of Madison County".